Bedwetting and Hygene: my daughter's recent problem

Johnny K · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

> Actually, the nose spray and the pill that are used these days are a
> naturally-occurring hormone that has absolutely no side effects. My DD's
> pediatric urologist assured me of this. Perhaps you would feel more
> comfortable with the idea if you looked into it a bit more.

Side effects aren't what bothers me. Naturally occuring hormone or not,
it's still a drug, and I don't want my daughter getting the idea that drugs
are the solution to her problems. Even prescription drugs. I don't even
let them take Tylonel unluss they have a really bad headache or fever. I
have looked into it, and I still think it's a bad idea. Perhaps if
bedwetting threatened her health, I would consider it.

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Johnny K · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

In our case, patience is a better option than drugs.
"PattyMomVA" wrote in message$6ne$1@newslocal.mitre.org...
> "dragonlady" wrote and I snipped:
> > Remember, this isn't about being able to wake up when your bladder is
> > full -- at least, not entirely. It is about the hormone that is
> > produced when you are older that stops the kidneys from producing so
> > much urine while you are alseep that you HAVE to get up in the middle of
> > the night to pee. In some kids, that hormone is there in enough
> > quantity so they can stay dry through the night by the time they are two
> > or three -- in others, like my son, not until they are 14. It isn't a
> > medical concern, and where there is a family history of it, it was my
> > experience that most doctors won't want to run extensive tests. In the
> > OP's case, there IS a family history, so it makes way more sense to just
> > be patient until the child's body starts producing that hormone in
> > sufficient quantities.
>
> This is exactly what's happening for many kids, when other problems are
> ruled out. And, an alternative to being patient is to give the child this
> hormone in the form of a pill or nose spray.
>
> -Patty, mom of 1+2
>
>

Johnny K · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

> My daughter wasn't consistently dry over night until she was past the age
of
> seven. We didn't restrict her fluids at night because if a child (or
anyone)
> is thirsty it means they are already dehydrated but we did insist on her
> going to the toilet before bed.

When I say limiting fluids, I don't mean making them go thirsty. Just, less
than they would have otherwise.

> Her morning routine was to remove her
> pullups immediately and put on her underwear (rinsing off first if she was
> wet) before breakfast.

Did she do this on her own, or because you wanted her too? If because you
wanted her to, how did you get her to do it?

> Every few months we'd try for a week or two of no
> pullups to see how close she was to being dry and when she got to the
point
> of wetting once a week we just put up with any extra laundry that
happened.

Hopefully, that point will come soon enough for my girls. Though, I think
being dry for a whole week in a row before getting rid of the protection
would be a bit more prudent in our case.

> Her brothers were dry at night by about 4 and 5, respectively, and I took
> their pullups off them as soon as they woke, wet or dry, because if I got
> there in time I could save a dry one for reuse the next night. They both
> had the tendency to wake up, stretch comfortably and let go their
bladders,
> though, which is something you have to watch with little kids. It can be
> hard to tell just when that inconvenient urination occurred!

Both of my daughters have been known to do this too. Checking usenet
archives for help with my daughter's problem showed that this is a rather
common phenomonon. Half the people with bedwetting kids, it seems,
complained of using the pullups while awake.

My elder daughter would do this, wake up and pee while streching, quite
often until she was about 8 or so(I think she's stopped, at least. She may
have jsut gotten better at hiding it). My younger daughter does this on
occasion to this day, as well as on rare occasions being wet before going to
sleep. I just don't worry about it for the most part. I figure that if
they're wet anyways, a little more pee isn't going to hurt anything. When
Rally's wet before she goes to bed(those disappearing flowers really are a
dead giveaway), I just pretend not to notice.

Thanks for your advice Tai. I eagerly await your answers.

Johnny K · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

Just the hygene problem. However, the advice I'm getting could help in the
future, and I may be able to help someone else out. I'm not going to
abandon the thread yet.
"bizby40" wrote in message@adelphia.com...
>
> "Johnny K" wrote in message
> @fidnet.com...
> > I'm not a fan of the alarm concept. Sleeping through the night is
> > more
> > important than dry sheets, which can be accomplished with a lot less
> > heartache with goodnites than an alarm. I figure they'll grow out
> > of it
> > soon enough, and the protection isn't very expensive. They like
> > their
> > sleep, and I like them well rested.
>
> I'm a little confused. When you came here, were you looking for help
> with the wetting problem? Or only with the hygiene problem?
>
> Bizby
>
>

Johnny K · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

I'm definately open to advice. I'm not open to drugs or alarms or
punishments, but any other advice is welcome, and appriciated.

The origional problem has been solved, for the most part. My daughter isn't
cheery about it, but she does not change before breakfast if she's wet. And
sory about my spelling of hygene. I'm not the world's best speller.

The focus of the conversation has shifted a bit toward the bedwetting side,
and that's fine with me. I would be overjoyed if my daughter were able to
stay dry through the night! I'm sure she would too.

I hope that's not too confusing. Smile

Thanks!
"Rosalie B." wrote in message@4ax.com...
> "bizby40" wrote:
> >
> >"toypup" wrote in message
> >$%j7.1377@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> >>
> >> "bizby40" wrote in message
> >> @adelphia.com...
> >>>
> >>> "Tori M" wrote in message
> >>> @bright.net...
> >>>> The word Hygiene is used many times
> >>>
> >>> Yes, but the subject line is "Bedwetting *and* Hygene[sic]" and
> >>> he's never actually said he doesn't want advice about it, yet he
> >>> shoots down every idea he's offered.
> >>
> >> It's pretty clear to me that his complaint is that his DD sits at
> >> breakfast with a wet Pullup. That was his complaint, not the
> >> bedwetting.
> >
> >Well, then, perhaps if he said that straight out, he'd get less advice
> >about the bedwetting. Given the amount he's getting, I can see that I
> >wasn't the only one confused. And actually, as he's talked about
> >changing the bedtime routine and the hopes that it would help with the
> >wetting, I got the definite impression that he was open to advice
> >about it.
> >
> I thought it was both. He doesn't want her in wet pullups at
> breakfast (and this seems to be a battle of wills, with him not
> willing to make her get dressed because he's not dressed), and if she
> wasn't wetting the bed anymore then there wouldn't be wet pullups so
> the problem would be OBE.
>
> Plus the title has bed wetting in it. But when I read the whole
> thing, I got the impression that it was more the wet pullups than it
> was the bed wetting.
>

Tori M · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 266

I was 13 when I stopped wetting the bed.. outside of normal yes but I dont
recall going to the dr to have tests run to see what was wrong.. and I am 28
so that means that just under 1/2 my life I wet the bed. I will concider
myself lucky if I can go another 30 without doing it again Razz

Tori
> So far you've said both of your daughters have this problem and one is 11
> with a "boyfriend"? If anyone had two daughters of this age with this
> problem they should be seeking professional help.

greccogirl · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 222

Johnny K wrote:

> I must agree with Dragonlady. As long as my daughters wish to use pullups
> and goodnites to deal with their problem, they have my support. Though if
> they didn't want to wear them anymore, that would have my support too. It's
> an awful lot of laundry to be doing every day, but it's their decisions to
> make.
>
> Thank you for not thinking I'm a troll Beth. I'm just going to ignore that
> steve guy. Though am I not supposed to mention real names here? I'd never
> noticed that rule before.
>
>
So far you've said both of your daughters have this problem and one is
11 with a "boyfriend"? If anyone had two daughters of this age with
this problem they should be seeking professional help.

bizby40 · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1465

"Johnny K" wrote in message @fidnet.com...
>> Her morning routine was to remove her
>> pullups immediately and put on her underwear (rinsing off first if
>> she was
>> wet) before breakfast.
>
> Did she do this on her own, or because you wanted her too? If
> because you
> wanted her to, how did you get her to do it?

The same way you get a child to do anything -- you gently, but firmly,
and most of all *consistently* insist that they do so.

> Hopefully, that point will come soon enough for my girls. Though, I
> think
> being dry for a whole week in a row before getting rid of the
> protection
> would be a bit more prudent in our case.

This is one of the things I tried to get across before. With my
daughter, she soaked every single night with the pull-ups on. Wearing
the pull-ups, the girls know (yes, even when they're sleeping) that
they don't need to worry about wetting. Taking them off may help
trigger them being dry. Of course it may not. That's why Tai
suggested trying every few months.

Bizby

Johnny K · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

Professional help for genetic bedwetting in children for whom it's perfectly
normal? That's the dumbest idea I've heard yet. I realise the beginnigings
of the thread may have dropped off of your server(they have mine), and you
may not be able to read the whole thing, but rest assured. My girls don't
need to see a therapist because of bedwetting.

As for my daughter's boyfreind, she's 11 years old, and likes boys. So, she
picks one of her classmates that she likes, and starts hanging out with him
alot. They spend a lot of supervised time together, and do no more than
kiss each other. I was doing this when I was 8(with girls rather than
boys)! I really don't see why everyone is so uptight about it.

bizby40 · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1465

"Tai" wrote in message @individual.net...
> Yes, again. (How refreshing to be in such close agreement, Bizby!
> Smile

) )

Our parenting styles have never been as far apart as the rest of
our personalities.

Though after several kidless days to reconnect and actually have a
good time together, you would definitely have approved of the birthday
present DH gave me last night.

Bizby

Tai · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

bizby40 wrote:
> "Johnny K" wrote in message
> @fidnet.com...
>>> Her morning routine was to remove her
>>> pullups immediately and put on her underwear (rinsing off first if
>>> she was
>>> wet) before breakfast.
>>
>> Did she do this on her own, or because you wanted her too? If
>> because you
>> wanted her to, how did you get her to do it?

At seven she still needed help with the hand shower in the bath but I'd
expect a ten year old to manage a quick shower on her own.

>
> The same way you get a child to do anything -- you gently, but firmly,
> and most of all *consistently* insist that they do so.

Yep, gently implacable is how I think of my approach to such things.

>
>> Hopefully, that point will come soon enough for my girls. Though, I
>> think
>> being dry for a whole week in a row before getting rid of the
>> protection
>> would be a bit more prudent in our case.
>
> This is one of the things I tried to get across before. With my
> daughter, she soaked every single night with the pull-ups on. Wearing
> the pull-ups, the girls know (yes, even when they're sleeping) that
> they don't need to worry about wetting. Taking them off may help
> trigger them being dry. Of course it may not. That's why Tai
> suggested trying every few months.

Yes, again. (How refreshing to be in such close agreement, Bizby! Smile

) )

Tai

Tai · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

bizby40 wrote:
> "Tai" wrote in message
> @individual.net...
>> Yes, again. (How refreshing to be in such close agreement, Bizby!
>> Smile

) )
>
> Smile

Our parenting styles have never been as far apart as the rest of
> our personalities.
>
> Though after several kidless days to reconnect and actually have a
> good time together, you would definitely have approved of the birthday
> present DH gave me last night.

Woo Hoo!

And, er.... Many Happy Returns!

Tai