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Martin Long



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:18 am    Post subject: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

From http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041211/D86TNG400.html

HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), which promotes
itself as a seller of clean music, deceived customers by
stocking compact discs by the rock group Evanescence that
contain the f-word, a lawsuit claims.

The hit group's latest CD and DVD, "Anywhere But Home," don't
carry parental advisory labels alerting potential buyers to the
obscenity. If they did, Wal-Mart wouldn't carry them, according
to the retailer's policy.

But the lawsuit claims Wal-Mart knew about the explicit lyrics
in the song, "Thoughtless," because it censored the word in a
free sample available on its Web site and in its stores.

The complaint, filed Thursday in Washington County Circuit
Court, seeks an order requiring Wal-Mart to either censor or
remove the music from its Maryland stores. It also seeks damages
of up to $74,500 for each of the thousands of people who bought
the music at Wal-Marts in Maryland.

"I don't want any other families to get this, expecting it
to be clean. It needs to be removed from the shelves to
prevent other children from hearing it," said plaintiff Trevin
Skeens of Brownsville.

Skeens said he and his wife, Melanie, let their daughter buy
the music for her 13th birthday and were shocked when they
played it in their car while driving home.

Wal-Mart, of Bentonville, Ark., has no immediate plans to
pull the CDs from its shelves, spokesman Guy Whitcomb told The
(Hagerstown) Herald-Mail. He said the company will investigate
the allegations. No hearing dates have been set.

"While Wal-Mart sets high standards, it would not be possible
to eliminate every image, word or topic that an individual
might find objectionable," Whitcomb told the newspaper.

He told the Herald-Mail that the song sample online was
censored by Walmart.com, a separate division of Wal-Mart.

Whitcomb didn't return telephone calls Friday from The Associated
Press.

The lawsuit also names as defendants Wind-up Records LLC,
the New York-based company that recorded the music and decided
not to apply parental-advisory stickers; and distributor BMG
Entertainment, a subsidiary of Sony BMG Music Entertainment,
of New York.

Sony BMG declined to comment on the lawsuit. Wind-up didn't
return calls from the AP.

The Skeens' lawyer, Jon D. Pels of Bethesda, said he aims to
"take this case national, even if that means going state by
state."

He dismissed Whitcomb's suggestion that Wal-Mart stores didn't
know about the censored version of the song. "They are a
multimillion-dollar corporation and they certainly can communicate
among their various entities," he said.

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jls



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

"Martin Long" wrote in message@originals.com...
>
> Skeens said he and his wife, Melanie, let their daughter buy
> the music for her 13th birthday and were shocked when they
> played it in their car while driving home.
>
Yeah, since they heard the unspeakably disgusting F-word, he's been having
rectal itch and heart palpitations and she's gone frigid and suffered from
dysmenorrhea. Both of them are suing for loss of consortium. It sounds to
me like at least $10 million in damages if the couple live through this
dreadful trauma long enough to collect.
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Dave C.



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:38 am    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

"Martin Long" wrote in message@originals.com...
> From http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041211/D86TNG400.html
>
> HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), which promotes
> itself as a seller of clean music, deceived customers by
> stocking compact discs by the rock group Evanescence that
> contain the f-word, a lawsuit claims.
>
> The hit group's latest CD and DVD, "Anywhere But Home," don't
> carry parental advisory labels alerting potential buyers to the
> obscenity. If they did, Wal-Mart wouldn't carry them, according
> to the retailer's policy.
>
> But the lawsuit claims Wal-Mart knew about the explicit lyrics
> in the song, "Thoughtless," because it censored the word in a
> free sample available on its Web site and in its stores.

Wal-Mart is notorious for banning CDs with explicit lyrics and/or only
selling edited (for content) versions of same. That is one reason I would
specifically AVOID buying music at Wal-Mart. I don't want a fricking
corporation editing my music, thank you.

It is ironic in the extreme that Wal-Mart is being sued for selling a song
with FUCK in it. This just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished.
Wal-Mart has tried (WAY TOO HARD) to protect people who do not need to be
protected. And now they are being sued for the exact opposite reason.

If anything, they should be sued to STOP the censorship. -Dave
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

"Martin Long" wrote in message@originals.com...
> From http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041211/D86TNG400.html
>
> HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), which promotes
> itself as a seller of clean music, deceived customers by
(snip)
I highly doubt it will happen, but it sure would be nice if this landed in
front of a judge with the brains and balls to throw it out of court BEFORE
it goes to trial, and to sanction the attorneys involved for filing a
frivilous lawsuit. I'm no fan of Wally World's censorship policy, and would
never buy music there, but common sense dictates a nasty word is gonna slip
through once in a while. Exactly how are the plaintiffs damaged? Because
their little darling heard a dirty word? Haven't walked the halls in junior
high lately, have they? Probably screwing the kid up worse with this
ludicrous over-reaction. If the words bother them that much, return the the
CD if allowed, or trash it, and tell the kid 'I know stuff like this is out
there, and you will be exposed to it anyway, but I won't have it in my
house.' At the absolute most, the plaintiffs should be due a refund of their
money. The concept of damages is absurd.

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DC



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

huh, what? ridiculous. Does Walmart guarantee that the music they sell are
100% clean? They just guarantee that they don't carry music with the
"explicit lyrics" tag, but it takes quite a bit of explicit lyrics to get
that tag. Even Sarah McLachlan's music contain an F word. It's like a PG
movie rating, it's not like it's going to be 100% clean.

I don't know why Walmart needs to claim that they didn't know that they
censored the song. They should just tell the parents that Walmart is not
their kids' babysitters.
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larrybud2002



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

> Skeens said he and his wife, Melanie, let their daughter buy
> the music for her 13th birthday and were shocked when they
> played it in their car while driving home.

Nice of the parents to put the burden of parenting on Wal-Mart, instead
of getting on the internet and doing a little research themselves.
Unreal.
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GI Trekker



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

"While Wal-Mart sets high standards, it would not be possible
to eliminate every image, word or topic that an individual
might find objectionable," Whitcomb told the newspaper.

=============================

Maybe not, but the "F" word is pretty blatant, and they HAD to know it was in
there. They should've pulled the CD, should be forced to pull it now, and be
forced to pay the fine.
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enigma



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

gitrekker@aol.com (GI Trekker) wrote in@mb-m18.aol.com:

> "While Wal-Mart sets high standards, it would not be
> possible to eliminate every image, word or topic that an
> individual might find objectionable," Whitcomb told the
> newspaper.
>
> =============================
>
> Maybe not, but the "F" word is pretty blatant, and they HAD
> to know it was in there. They should've pulled the CD,
> should be forced to pull it now, and be forced to pay the
> fine.

why? who made Wal-Mart the nanny police?
no one is responsible for you except yourself. parents should
preview things if they think it may contain something
objectionable to thier particular family values or
inappropriate for thier childrens age, but it is NOT up to the
store to define those values or even to pander to them.
it certainly should be viewed as a frivolous lawsuit & a
waste of the courts time & tossed on that alone. much as i
despise Wal-mart i think this is just plain stupid.
lee
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

In article ,
gitrekker@aol.com (GI Trekker) wrote:

> "While Wal-Mart sets high standards, it would not be possible
> to eliminate every image, word or topic that an individual
> might find objectionable," Whitcomb told the newspaper.
>
> =============================
>
> Maybe not, but the "F" word is pretty blatant, and they HAD to know it was in
> there. They should've pulled the CD, should be forced to pull it now, and be
> forced to pay the fine.

Why do you believe they HAD to know it was in there? Do you imagine
that someone at Walmart takes the time to listen to every CD they stock?
It's my understanding that this particular CD wasn't marked in any way
to indicate use of the famous "F" word.
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care
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Jim



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:38:53 -0500, "Dave C." wrote:

>
>"Martin Long" wrote in message
>@originals.com...
>> From http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041211/D86TNG400.html
>>
>> HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), which promotes
>> itself as a seller of clean music, deceived customers by
>> stocking compact discs by the rock group Evanescence that
>> contain the f-word, a lawsuit claims.
>>
>> The hit group's latest CD and DVD, "Anywhere But Home," don't
>> carry parental advisory labels alerting potential buyers to the
>> obscenity. If they did, Wal-Mart wouldn't carry them, according
>> to the retailer's policy.
>>
>> But the lawsuit claims Wal-Mart knew about the explicit lyrics
>> in the song, "Thoughtless," because it censored the word in a
>> free sample available on its Web site and in its stores.
>
>Wal-Mart is notorious for banning CDs with explicit lyrics and/or only
>selling edited (for content) versions of same. That is one reason I would
>specifically AVOID buying music at Wal-Mart. I don't want a fricking
>corporation editing my music, thank you.
>
>It is ironic in the extreme that Wal-Mart is being sued for selling a song
>with FUCK in it. This just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished.
>Wal-Mart has tried (WAY TOO HARD) to protect people who do not need to be
>protected. And now they are being sued for the exact opposite reason.
>
>If anything, they should be sued to STOP the censorship. -Dave
>


What gets interesting is that since they *do* censor and regulate what
songs they sell, they are going to have a much tougher burden
defending themselves. (IANAL) Taking some action and making a mistake
is often more harshly judged than taking no action at all.

Jim P.
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Ram Samudrala



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

The irony here is that because Wal-Mart decided on a form of editoral
screening process, they're more liable than if they had chosen to not
interfere at all. Still, as a believer in market forces, I think the
plaintiff should take his business elsewhere rather than suing
Wal-Mart.

You have to love this country.

--Ram

In misc.consumers Martin Long wrote:

> From http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041211/D86TNG400.html

> HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), which promotes
> itself as a seller of clean music, deceived customers by
> stocking compact discs by the rock group Evanescence that
> contain the f-word, a lawsuit claims.

> The hit group's latest CD and DVD, "Anywhere But Home," don't
> carry parental advisory labels alerting potential buyers to the
> obscenity. If they did, Wal-Mart wouldn't carry them, according
> to the retailer's policy.

> But the lawsuit claims Wal-Mart knew about the explicit lyrics
> in the song, "Thoughtless," because it censored the word in a
> free sample available on its Web site and in its stores.

> The complaint, filed Thursday in Washington County Circuit
> Court, seeks an order requiring Wal-Mart to either censor or
> remove the music from its Maryland stores. It also seeks damages
> of up to $74,500 for each of the thousands of people who bought
> the music at Wal-Marts in Maryland.

> "I don't want any other families to get this, expecting it
> to be clean. It needs to be removed from the shelves to
> prevent other children from hearing it," said plaintiff Trevin
> Skeens of Brownsville.

> Skeens said he and his wife, Melanie, let their daughter buy
> the music for her 13th birthday and were shocked when they
> played it in their car while driving home.

> Wal-Mart, of Bentonville, Ark., has no immediate plans to
> pull the CDs from its shelves, spokesman Guy Whitcomb told The
> (Hagerstown) Herald-Mail. He said the company will investigate
> the allegations. No hearing dates have been set.

> "While Wal-Mart sets high standards, it would not be possible
> to eliminate every image, word or topic that an individual
> might find objectionable," Whitcomb told the newspaper.

> He told the Herald-Mail that the song sample online was
> censored by Walmart.com, a separate division of Wal-Mart.

> Whitcomb didn't return telephone calls Friday from The Associated
> Press.

> The lawsuit also names as defendants Wind-up Records LLC,
> the New York-based company that recorded the music and decided
> not to apply parental-advisory stickers; and distributor BMG
> Entertainment, a subsidiary of Sony BMG Music Entertainment,
> of New York.

> Sony BMG declined to comment on the lawsuit. Wind-up didn't
> return calls from the AP.

> The Skeens' lawyer, Jon D. Pels of Bethesda, said he aims to
> "take this case national, even if that means going state by
> state."

> He dismissed Whitcomb's suggestion that Wal-Mart stores didn't
> know about the censored version of the song. "They are a
> multimillion-dollar corporation and they certainly can communicate
> among their various entities," he said.
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DR RASTIS FAF00FNIK



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

" jls" wrote in message$jE2.106432@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Martin Long" wrote in message
> @originals.com...
> >
> > Skeens said he and his wife, Melanie, let their daughter buy
> > the music for her 13th birthday and were shocked when they
> > played it in their car while driving home.
> >
> Yeah, since they heard the unspeakably disgusting F-word, he's been
having
> rectal itch and heart palpitations and she's gone frigid and suffered from
> dysmenorrhea. Both of them are suing for loss of consortium. It sounds
to
> me like at least $10 million in damages if the couple live through this
> dreadful trauma long enough to collect.
>
>
> Pretty FUCKING rediculous really. Hope their child doesn't go to school,
see friends,watch TV or ride a public bus or train.....
Talk about sheltered life, wonder if she will live at home till shes 40????
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:43 pm    Post subject: Re: The "F" Word: Should Walmart pay the money? Reply with quote

Ram Samudrala (ram@public.compbio.washington.edu) writes:
> The irony here is that because Wal-Mart decided on a form of editoral
> screening process, they're more liable than if they had chosen to not
> interfere at all.

Right. I think that reasoning is ridiculous but
that's how things work. Maybe that's why schools refuse
to count which kids are getting on a school bus, etc.
--
Cathy
A *much* better world is possible.

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