Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons

Anim8rFSK · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

In article ,
WhereYoMama@home.net (Way Back Jack) wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"
> wrote:
>
>
> >It's just not that big of a deal or that unusual among parents,
> >and trying to crucify him for it is the pot calling the kettle black.
> >Anyone with kids has said things like that.
> >Steve
>
> This from the guy who has stated on many occasions that sexual
> relations between consenting kids and adults do not harm the kids.

Aha. That would explain a lot.

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auzerais v · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

>Anyone who brings up politics in this matter
> obviously already has a prediposition to hate
> Baldwin and therefore can be ignored.

Oh I see, if this had been Bruce Willis instead of Baldwin, the left
wouldn't dream of bringing his politics into it? and if they did, they
should also be ignored?
yeah, right.

Tom Zielinski · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

"trotsky" wrote in message $n_.6240@attbi_s21...
> Tom Zielinski wrote:

>> Are you really defending Baldwin?
>
>
> Here's my take: I don't defend what he said, I would never say something
> like that to a kid in almost any circumstance. There are kids that are
> complete beatoffs that deserve some amount of tongue lashing, but we have
> no idea if this is the case here, nor do we *deserve* to know. What we
> need to start doing is ascribing blame in order of importance: the fact
> that Basinger would allow her kid to be humiliated publically by "leaking"
> this tape is FAR worse than what Baldwin said, and the disgusting, filthy
> pandering media publicizing it is far worse to.

I absolutely agree. Doesn't change the fact that Baldwin said the words.

> We didn't need to hear this just like we didn't need to know what was in
> the package that Cho sent NBC.

I'm still pondering that. Perhaps it would have been best just to let the
FBI have the package. But I don't agree with those who say that covering
the shooting as a news story is wrong. Would it be better we not know?

> Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but
>> to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know
>> anyone who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's
>> indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know
>> better.
>>
>> That said, I just got the boxed set of "Not Just the Best of the Larry
>> Sanders Show", the best written and funniest show in television history.
>> It includes a recent interview with Baldwin. Highly recommended. (The
>> Baldwin interview aside.)
>
>
> Don't worry, that's on my radar. I loved "The Larry Sanders Show" when it
> was on, and there aren't a lot of shows I can say that about.

Best written and funniest comedy in the history of television. Rip Torn is
a national treasure. (As my good friend Paul used to say whenever we
discussed the show in the 1990's.)

R. Steve Walz · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1906

Way Back Jack wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"
> wrote:
>
> >It's just not that big of a deal or that unusual among parents,
> >and trying to crucify him for it is the pot calling the kettle black.
> >Anyone with kids has said things like that.
> >Steve
>
> This from the guy who has stated on many occasions that sexual
> relations between consenting kids and adults do not harm the kids.
-------------------------
Only because they don't. Of course, you're too stupid and brainwashed
ever to be able to discern that properly.
Steve

trotsky · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

Tom Zielinski wrote:

> "trotsky" wrote in message
> $_c5.45116@attbi_s22...
>
>>Tom Zielinski wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Thumper" wrote in message
>>>@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
>>>>>>>very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
>>>>>>>disciplinary, father.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html
>>>>>>
>>>>We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
>>>>him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship
>>>with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration
>>>at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since the
>>>day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and
>>>possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive
>>>language Baldwin used towards his daughter.
>>
>>
>>Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow switches,
>>or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is enough for
>>condemnation.
>
>
>
>
> Are you really defending Baldwin?

Here's my take: I don't defend what he said, I would never say something
like that to a kid in almost any circumstance. There are kids that are
complete beatoffs that deserve some amount of tongue lashing, but we
have no idea if this is the case here, nor do we *deserve* to know.
What we need to start doing is ascribing blame in order of importance:
the fact that Basinger would allow her kid to be humiliated publically
by "leaking" this tape is FAR worse than what Baldwin said, and the
disgusting, filthy pandering media publicizing it is far worse to. We
didn't need to hear this just like we didn't need to know what was in
the package that Cho sent NBC.

Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but
> to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know anyone
> who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's
> indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know
> better.
>
> That said, I just got the boxed set of "Not Just the Best of the Larry
> Sanders Show", the best written and funniest show in television history. It
> includes a recent interview with Baldwin. Highly recommended. (The Baldwin
> interview aside.)

Don't worry, that's on my radar. I loved "The Larry Sanders Show" when
it was on, and there aren't a lot of shows I can say that about.

Way Back Jack · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

>It's just not that big of a deal or that unusual among parents,
>and trying to crucify him for it is the pot calling the kettle black.
>Anyone with kids has said things like that.
>Steve

This from the guy who has stated on many occasions that sexual
relations between consenting kids and adults do not harm the kids.

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TLC Tugger · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

I heard the WHOLE thing, of which the pig part is near the end. I
think Baldwin is a little over the top, but basically in the right.
After food, shelter, and security, a parent's #1 job is to teach a
child what behavior the pack will accept. My kids are are damn near
perfect in every way, but I have on occassion had to let them know
when they were acting like jerks.

The MAIN problem with this Baldwin situation is that NO PARENT SHOULD
EVER BE ALLOWED TO RESIDE MORE THAN 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM THEIR KIDS.
Divorce is no excuse. Act like a grown-up and recognize that your
lives are forever bonded by the children you created. A judge should
only be allowed to grant an exception in the case of demonstrable
danger from a sociopathic parent, where there would be orders of
protection and other restraining orders.

-Ron

Victor Velazquez · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message @armory.com...
> Way Back Jack wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"
>> wrote:
>>
>> >It's just not that big of a deal or that unusual among parents,
>> >and trying to crucify him for it is the pot calling the kettle black.
>> >Anyone with kids has said things like that.
>>
>> This from the guy who has stated on many occasions that sexual
>> relations between consenting kids and adults do not harm the kids.

> Only because they don't. Of course, you're too stupid and brainwashed
> ever to be able to discern that properly.

Whaaaaa? You can't possibly think that's true. How does a child consent to
something they know nothing about?

trotsky · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

Tom Zielinski wrote:

> "trotsky" wrote in message
> $n_.6240@attbi_s21...
>
>>Tom Zielinski wrote:
>
>
>>>Are you really defending Baldwin?
>>
>>
>>Here's my take: I don't defend what he said, I would never say something
>>like that to a kid in almost any circumstance. There are kids that are
>>complete beatoffs that deserve some amount of tongue lashing, but we have
>>no idea if this is the case here, nor do we *deserve* to know. What we
>>need to start doing is ascribing blame in order of importance: the fact
>>that Basinger would allow her kid to be humiliated publically by "leaking"
>>this tape is FAR worse than what Baldwin said, and the disgusting, filthy
>>pandering media publicizing it is far worse to.
>
>
>
> I absolutely agree. Doesn't change the fact that Baldwin said the words.

A far cry from having Basinger as a mother is my guess. Would you want
Baldwin to tell you how to raise your kids? It's his business, not ours.

>>We didn't need to hear this just like we didn't need to know what was in
>>the package that Cho sent NBC.
>
>
>
> I'm still pondering that. Perhaps it would have been best just to let the
> FBI have the package. But I don't agree with those who say that covering
> the shooting as a news story is wrong. Would it be better we not know?

It would be better if it wasn't a media circus giving incentive to the
next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory." They are encouraging that
behavior--what's good about that?

>> Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but
>>
>>>to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know
>>>anyone who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's
>>>indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know
>>>better.
>>>
>>>That said, I just got the boxed set of "Not Just the Best of the Larry
>>>Sanders Show", the best written and funniest show in television history.
>>>It includes a recent interview with Baldwin. Highly recommended. (The
>>>Baldwin interview aside.)
>>
>>
>>Don't worry, that's on my radar. I loved "The Larry Sanders Show" when it
>>was on, and there aren't a lot of shows I can say that about.
>
>
>
> Best written and funniest comedy in the history of television. Rip Torn is
> a national treasure. (As my good friend Paul used to say whenever we
> discussed the show in the 1990's.)

My favorite Artie line: Larry invites him to a party and says "Be there
or be square." Artie says, "I can be both."

R. Steve Walz · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1906

auzerais v wrote:
>
> >Anyone who brings up politics in this matter
> > obviously already has a prediposition to hate
> > Baldwin and therefore can be ignored.
>
> Oh I see, if this had been Bruce Willis instead of Baldwin, the left
> wouldn't dream of bringing his politics into it? and if they did, they
> should also be ignored?
> yeah, right.
-------------------
Difference is, honestly, Left politics are good, Right politics are
evidence of extreme evil, racism, sexism, antisexuality, greed, etc.
Steve

Way Back Jack · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:54:45 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

>-------------------
>Difference is, honestly, Left politics are good, Right politics are
>evidence of extreme evil, racism, sexism, antisexuality, greed, etc.

said the shithead who wants the struggling working class to support
and pay reparations to the underclass, ne'er-do-wells, no-loads, and
other assorted bums. Meanwhile you enjoy a life of privilege derived
from sleazy business practices that bilked the working class: able to
send your wife and children to fat farms, swimming camp, tennis camp,
golf camp, music camp, and just plain summer camp in the borscht belt
of the Catskills. A limousine communist just like Baldwin.

Jamie Brinkoeter · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message

> per year. These are the over-privileged who CAUSE the poverty of the
> underclass with their rampant greed, and who impoverish further the
> disadvantaged by investing in a second or third rental property to
> amass a nest egg for a kushy retirement.
>
>
You're joking, right? I guess it's a matter of perspective. I don't anyone
with $80K a year income who consider themselves rich, let alone have enough
money to invest in rental property. Is there something wrong with saving for
retirement?

R. Steve Walz · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1906

Jamie Brinkoeter wrote:
>
> "R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
>
> > > per year. These are the over-privileged who CAUSE the poverty of the
> > underclass with their rampant greed, and who impoverish further the
> > disadvantaged by investing in a second or third rental property to
> > amass a nest egg for a kushy retirement.
> >
> >
> You're joking, right? I guess it's a matter of perspective. I don't anyone
> with $80K a year income who consider themselves rich, let alone have enough
> money to invest in rental property. Is there something wrong with saving for
> retirement?
--------------------------
Not if everybody made that much. But otherwise, yes there is. I don't
care WHO your deluded friends who make over $80K THINK they are, but
they ARE the top 20% of income earners, and if they manage to spend
it all on beer and pizza and SUVs and don't save, then they are just
stupid, because MOST people with that kind of money start with their
own house and then buy one or two more and put poor people in them at
inflated rents and have approximately $2 million in their estate at
death! That's as opposed to HALF of ALL people managing to save
precisely NUTHIN' in their lives beyond about two months living
expenses!! And that's because it all goes to rent and actual expenses
since they often don't own even a used car outright!!
Steve

Marie · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 129

"Jamie Brinkoeter" wrote in message $nR1.594@trnddc06...
> You're joking, right? I guess it's a matter of perspective. I don't anyone
> with $80K a year income who consider themselves rich, let alone have
> enough money to invest in rental property. Is there something wrong with
> saving for retirement?

$80K/yr in my area is definately wealthy. When most people around me are
making $20-30K, $80 is definately high-livin'.
Marie

Marie · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 129

"RogerM" wrote in message @ns.sympatico.ca...
> Marie wrote:
>>
>> $80K/yr in my area is definately wealthy. When most people around me are
>> making $20-30K, $80 is definately high-livin'.
>> Marie
>
> That's for the whole family, not one person.

Yes, lots of families have sahms, or rarely sahds. Most families here make
less than a total of $30K. And in some families, one adult makes barely
above minimum wage and the other adult will have a minimum wage job. Of
course, education factors in, as does a family's priorities(such as child
raising, having a new car, things like that).
Marie