Alec Baldwin Gives Parenting Lessons

Unique · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

R. Steve Walz wrote in message:
46291A48.7675@armory.com,

> From what
> I've heard from people who tried to work with her, Kim Basinger is
> gorgeous, but an incrediblly vicious little bitch!

She's a bitch. He's a bastard. Their divorce has been a war.

That kid hasn't got a chance.

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Anim8rFSK · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

> You have no idea what went before, or who the phone message was
> actually intended for.

Being as he says 'you' and says he doesn't care if she's 12 or 11 years
old, the message is pretty clearly intended for an 11 or 12 year old.

Thumper · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:

>
>>
>> > But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
>> > very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
>> > disciplinary, father.
>>
>> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html
>>

We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
him.
Thumper

Way Back Jack · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

411: Caught on Tape: Alec Baldwin Calls Daughter a 'Rude, Thoughtless
Pig'
Friday, April 20, 2007

By Roger Friedman

Actor Alec Baldwin may be finding himself in very big trouble this
morning. I mean, big trouble.

Baldwin is caught on TMZ.com on an audiotape recording of a scalding
message he left for his 12-year-old daughter Ireland.

Click here to hear the message

Even though it’s obvious that Ireland’s mother, Kim Basinger, leaked
the tape to the TMZ Web site — either Basinger or her divorce lawyers
— it may not matter. Baldwin’s screamfest at his only child has
already caused a family court judge in Los Angeles to suspend his
visitation rights temporarily.

Baldwin and Basinger have been locked in a vicious custody and
visitation battle over Ireland for years.

Baldwin has regularly accused Basinger of playing games with
scheduling. It’s a sore point, since he lives in New York and she
lives in California.

But Baldwin’s scathing comments to his daughter on the phone message
may be indefensible. Listening to the tape, you actually think he’s
leaving a message for Basinger; there is hatred in his voice. Then you
realize it really is Ireland for whom he’s left the message. The worst
thing he calls her: “a rude, thoughtless pig.”

Baldwin is going to have to do some fast spinning to get out of this
situation, especially if the tape starts getting airplay. There will
likely be little tolerance for this kind of behavior, especially
toward a child — and his own child, at that.

It certainly is hard imagining telling one’s own kid how angry you are
because they — the child — has “humiliated” you by missing a phone
call.

More from the call: “Once again I’ve made an a-- of myself getting to
a phone to make a phone call … I’m tired of playing this game with
you. You have insulted me for the last time …You’ve made feel like
sh-- and you’ve made feel like a fool over and over again … I’m going
to straighten your a-- out … You are a rude, thoughtless little pig.”

It’s a sickening turn of events for Baldwin, who’s had a great year
career-wise between his supporting work in “The Departed” and his
awards for the comedy “30 Rock.”

But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
disciplinary, father.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html

FDR · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"Maryann" wrote in message @n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:29 pm, Thumper wrote:
>> On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> > But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
>> >> > very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
>> >> > disciplinary, father.
>>
>> >> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html
>>
>> We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
>> him.
>> Thumper
>
> Typical lefty - Baldwin at work, what a great role-model..maybe he
> would like to send his kids to fight the war in Iraq, sounds like he
> would gladly see them facing the enemy. mai
>

Well we sure as hell know the Bush twins aren't going to Iraq.

BTR1701 · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

> Almost 12 turns into 12 and 22 is forgotten, even by the best parent.
> And if you had a tape recorder on you all the time, what would we
> catch YOU saying to your kid, huh? Parenting isn't a moment's anger,
> it's comprised of the whole pattern of day-to-day life for years if
> not decades.

Yeah, I hate to defend Baldwin because (while he's a good actor) I think
he's a sanctimonious prick most of the time. But I can think of a few
times my own dad verbally lashed out at me like that when I was a kid
and screwed up, saying stuff very similar to "I'm gonna straighten you
out when I get home." And you know what? I deserved it. I needed to be
straightened out and now I'm grateful there was someone there who cared
enough to do it. The "pig" comment was a bit over the line but it's
nothing that couldn't be remedied with an apology. Parents say stuff
like that all time when they're angry and kids that age have a unique
ability to inspire fits of rage in their parents.

Juan F. Lara · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

In article ,
moviePig wrote:
>2) Nobody with the kid's interest at heart would've publicized the
>tape. (There would've been other ways to leverage it.)

Dead on there. This recording was a very private matter of the Baldwin
family. It's an incredible violation of their privacy to publickly air it,
without any context.

- Juan F. Lara

R. Steve Walz · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1906

Anim8rFSK wrote:
>
> In article ,
> "R. Steve Walz" wrote:
>
> > You have no idea what went before, or who the phone message was
> > actually intended for.
>
> Being as he says 'you' and says he doesn't care if she's 12 or 11 years
> old, the message is pretty clearly intended for an 11 or 12 year old.
-----------------
Unless that's a posture and he's called Kim Basinger a 12 y/o before.
You just can't know. This is why such an invasion of privacy out of
context is inappropriate.
Steve

R. Steve Walz · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1906

Tom Zielinski wrote:
>
> "trotsky" wrote in message
> $_c5.45116@attbi_s22...
> > Tom Zielinski wrote:
> >
> >> "Thumper" wrote in message
> >> @4ax.com...
> >>
> >>>On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
> >>>>>>very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
> >>>>>>disciplinary, father.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
> >>>him.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship
> >> with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration
> >> at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since the
> >> day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and
> >> possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive
> >> language Baldwin used towards his daughter.
> >
> >
> > Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow switches,
> > or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is enough for
> > condemnation.
>
> Are you really defending Baldwin? Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but
> to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know anyone
> who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's
> indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know
> better.
>
> That said, I just got the boxed set of "Not Just the Best of the Larry
> Sanders Show", the best written and funniest show in television history. It
> includes a recent interview with Baldwin. Highly recommended. (The Baldwin
> interview aside.)
--------------------
It's just not that big of a deal or that unusual among parents,
and trying to crucify him for it is the pot calling the kettle black.
Anyone with kids has said things like that.
Steve

Anim8rFSK · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

In article ,
"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> >
> > In article ,
> > "R. Steve Walz" wrote:
> >
> > > You have no idea what went before, or who the phone message was
> > > actually intended for.
> >
> > Being as he says 'you' and says he doesn't care if she's 12 or 11 years
> > old, the message is pretty clearly intended for an 11 or 12 year old.
> -----------------
> Unless that's a posture and he's called Kim Basinger a 12 y/o before.

You've got to be kidding.

> You just can't know. This is why such an invasion of privacy out of
> context is inappropriate.
> Steve

Tom Zielinski · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

"trotsky" wrote in message $_c5.45116@attbi_s22...
> Tom Zielinski wrote:
>
>> "Thumper" wrote in message
>> @4ax.com...
>>
>>>On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
>>>>>>very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
>>>>>>disciplinary, father.
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html
>>>>>
>>>
>>>We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
>>>him.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship
>> with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration
>> at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since the
>> day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and
>> possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive
>> language Baldwin used towards his daughter.
>
>
> Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow switches,
> or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is enough for
> condemnation.

Are you really defending Baldwin? Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration, but
to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know anyone
who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's
indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know
better.

That said, I just got the boxed set of "Not Just the Best of the Larry
Sanders Show", the best written and funniest show in television history. It
includes a recent interview with Baldwin. Highly recommended. (The Baldwin
interview aside.)

Victor Velazquez · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

"Tom Zielinski" wrote in message @comcast.com...
>
> "trotsky" wrote in message
> $_c5.45116@attbi_s22...
>> Tom Zielinski wrote:
>>
>>> "Thumper" wrote in message
>>> @4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
>>>>>>>very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
>>>>>>>disciplinary, father.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
>>>>him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship
>>> with my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration
>>> at times including towards my children during the fifteen years since
>>> the day I came home from work to find my house empty of children and
>>> possessions. That said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive
>>> language Baldwin used towards his daughter.
>>
>>
>> Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow
>> switches, or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is
>> enough for condemnation.
>
> Are you really defending Baldwin? Again, I UNDERSTAND the frustration,
> but to take it out on a 12 YO with such abusive language? I don't know
> anyone who has ever called their own daughter a pig. It's wrong and it's
> indefensible, no matter what she did or didn't do. Adults should know
> better.

Absolutely true and it's completely unfair that the punishment for such poor
judgement may be never seeing your kid again. Without this potential
consequence, I don't think he'd be getting much support. And FWIW, I don't
give a rat's ass about Alec Baldwin but there are a shitload of dad's who
aren't him and can't afford fancy-pants lawyers and trips to the coast..

Trey Harlow · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

"Maryann" wrote in message @n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 20, 2:29 pm, Thumper wrote:
>> On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> > But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
>> >> > very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
>> >> > disciplinary, father.
>>
>> >> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html
>>
>> We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
>> him.
>> Thumper
>
> Typical lefty - Baldwin at work, what a great role-model..maybe he
> would like to send his kids to fight the war in Iraq, sounds like he
> would gladly see them facing the enemy. mai

Anyone who brings up politics in this matter obviously already has a
prediposition to hate Baldwin and therefore can be ignored.

>

JXStern · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

On 20 Apr 2007 08:29:36 -0700, moviePig wrote:

>> Even though it's obvious that Ireland's mother, Kim Basinger, leaked
>> the tape to the TMZ Web site - either Basinger or her divorce lawyers
>> - it may not matter. Baldwin's screamfest at his only child has
>> already caused a family court judge in Los Angeles to suspend his
>> visitation rights temporarily.
>>
>> Baldwin and Basinger have been locked in a vicious custody and
>> visitation battle over Ireland for years.
....
>All I know of this is what I've read here. (Specifically, I don't
>intend to wallow in the audio link.)

I've incidentally heard it on the radio about nine times now.

It may be par for the course for a contested divorce (and what other
kinds are there?), but if it is, it's par for the loser.

J.

trotsky · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

Tom Zielinski wrote:

> "Thumper" wrote in message
> @4ax.com...
>
>>On 20 Apr 2007 09:08:17 -0700, Sean Walsh wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>But something tells me that with the latter, NBC is not going to be
>>>>>very supportive of what sounds like a very abusive, not just
>>>>>disciplinary, father.
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267302,00.html
>>>>
>>
>>We don't know all the story. His kid may viciously play games with
>>him.
>
>
>
> I'm a divorced father of three, and I have a very bitter relationship with
> my ex. (She's on her fourth husband.) I've felt great frustration at times
> including towards my children during the fifteen years since the day I came
> home from work to find my house empty of children and possessions. That
> said, there is simply no excuse for the abusive language Baldwin used
> towards his daughter.

Wow, in the old days parents used to beat their kids with willow
switches, or at least administer spankings. Nowadays strong language is
enough for condemnation.