My wife nurses our 21month old son (overnight) - he has cavi

carabelli · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

>
> That's not to say that the dentists are nut friendly.........

I'm quite pleasant when around pecans.

carabelli

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carabelli · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 5

"Joel M. Eichen" wrote .......

>
> Why do we have such a "feelgood society?".....
>
> Joel
>

Joel!!!! FYI, some conservative is spoofing your addy.

carabelli

dragonlady · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2193

In article ,
"Joel M. Eichen" wrote:

> I agree. A good beside manner is important.
> Besides the beside manner, intellectual honesty
> is also important.
>
> I had a patient who refused antibiotics and refused
> root canal therapy believing that the abscess
> would go away if only enough eccinacea were applied.
>
> Needless to say, the tooth is now in the trash.
>
> But the patient is very happy in that her primary care
> PHYSICIAN does not roll his eyes anymore when she
> mentions eccinacea.

Eccinacea has it's uses. However, it isn't a cure-all, and expecting it
to deal with something like a need for a root canal is foolish.

I certainly hope you don't roll your eyes at anyone who mentions
alternative medical approaches, as long as they aren't doing anything
actually dangerous (like turning down treatments that are needed). It
wasn't all that long ago that physicians always rolled their eyes at
acupuncture; they don't anymore.

I used to see a doctor who was both certified as a family practice
physician and as a homeopathist. He practiced in a place that supported
wholistic approaches to medicine, and was probably the best doctor I've
had. He managed several chronic conditions homeopathically that had
been resistant to "normal" approaches. On the other hand, when a case
of poison ivy got out of control (as it almost always does for me...) he
prescribed antibiotics, antihistamines and steroids.
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

JOLINDA RANEY · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1626

LOL!
"Joel M. Eichen" wrote in message @x-privat.org...
>I agree. A good beside manner is important.
> Besides the beside manner, intellectual honesty
> is also important.
>
> I had a patient who refused antibiotics and refused
> root canal therapy believing that the abscess
> would go away if only enough eccinacea were applied.
>
> Needless to say, the tooth is now in the trash.
>
> But the patient is very happy in that her primary care
> PHYSICIAN does not roll his eyes anymore when she
> mentions eccinacea.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> "Cathy Weeks" wrote in message
> @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Joel M. Eichen wrote:
>> > This is true, give me a politically correct, sloppy,
>> > unskilled dentist anytime who can sweet-talk me
>> > into what I want to hear ........
>> >
>> >
>> > When his work goes bad, there are lots
>> > more willing to replace it!
>>
>> This has nothing to do with being politically correct. It *is*
>> possible to find a dentist who is both skilled, AND has good beside
>> manner.
>>
>> When I was in graduate school, I had a classmate (a teacher and mother
>> of two) who told me that she didn't care how nice or how good a
>> doctor's bedside manner is... she just wants him/her to be skilled
>> enough to make her better.
>>
>> I disagreed so much. When my father had cancer, his first oncodoc was a
>> real jerk. My father wanted to be as possitive as possible, and asked
>> that he not be told his "chances" of survival, because he knew it would
>> just get him down. He had a very dangerous form of cancer (esophogeal)
>> where only about 5% make it 5 years. His oncologist told him anyway,
>> despite his expressly stated wishes to the contrary. It was one thing
>> after another like that.
>>
>> Eventually, when dad was in the hospital, at his very sickest (his
>> white blood cell count had bottomed out after the chemo and radiation,
>> and he was sick as hell) he fired that oncologist. He had been working
>> with a psychologist doing hypnosis and guided imagery, and he asked him
>> who the most "mental" friendly doctor in that practice was. After
>> firing the original oncodoc, he asked for the new one, and hired him on
>> the spot, and liked him very much. Dad credits this second doctor, and
>> his surgeon with his survival to a cure. It's been 9 years, and no
>> evidence of recurrance.
>>
>> So, I believe very strongly that a patient must have a level of trust
>> with his or her healthcare practicioner - and that included feeling
>> confident of the information they give you, and knowing they aren't
>> going to be judgemental and condemning of healthful and normal
>> parenting practices.
>>
>> The issue with bedside manner got to be such a big one, that medical
>> schools are now teaching it specifically. I would assume that Dental
>> Schools would do the same.
>>
>> Cathy Weeks
>> Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01
>>
>
>

carabelli · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

"Joel M. Eichen" wrote in message @x-privat.org...
>I like walnuts myself!
>
> Good catch by the way.
>
>
> Joel;'
>
Well my BB coach always put me in right field - that says it all.

carabelli

Mum_of_Two · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 14

wrote in message @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

> This
> (female) dentist, said that it was a common misconception to continue
> to breastfeed after the first 5months. I took this "professional's"

OMG....I mean, the World Health Organisation recommends breastfeeding at
least for the first two years. IMO, I think any breastmilk is better than
none, and will at least breastfeed my DD for a year, longer if she's happy
to. 5 months??!! Your dentist is a quack and needs her head examined. I'd
get a new dentist on the basis of that statement alone.

Cathy Weeks · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 520

R. Steve Walz wrote:

> There is no evidence anywhere for anything she's blathering, get
> a new dentist!! The World Health Organization recommends 3-4
> years of breast feeding ON DEMAND! They say it PREVENTS tooth
> decay!

Actually WHO recommendation is 2 years, and after that for as long as
mother and child both still desire it.

Cathy Weeks
Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01

R. Steve Walz · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1906

a_newsreader@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Okay, today we went to the local Pediatric Dental specialist - she
> claimed that our son has the need for several fillings and blamed it
> squarely and with no hestitation on the fact that my wife is still
> breastfeeding him (even overnight - he sleeps with her/us).
>
> At first we blamed ourselves (I admittedly blaming my wife as it was
> her who let our son start sleeping with us, much against all the advice
> we'd been given by experienced parents).
>
> A couple of hours later however, my wife reckoned that this dentist was
> (milking the situation - no pun intended). She just couldn't believe
> that natural breast milk would create these cavities (its a new
> surgery, very plush and the dentists there are quite young(ish)). This
> (female) dentist, said that it was a common misconception to continue
> to breastfeed after the first 5months. I took this "professional's"
> opinion straight at face value - but call us cynical (we are in North
> Africa), and the 'truth' isn't always forthcoming (she was trained in
> Paris, young, educated but we both suspect not herself a mother).
>
> Later that afternoon (after looking around on the internet) I'm now
> beginning to wonder whether this female dentist had a clue about what
> she was talking about. According to most of what I've read, there
> isn't any link between breastfeeding and cavities (though I have read
> that carbs mixed with the milk causes cavities, as does sugar, lack of
> dental hygiene etc).
>
> We're beginning to wonder whether a second or third opinion (of course
> from alternative dentists) would be best before we jump into putting
> our son through any dental surgery. Preferably from a dentist who *is*
> pro-breastfeeding.
>
> Incidentally, we think that what he has developed, is probably a
> combination of hereditary and lack of brushing.
>
> P.S. I've just talked to my wife who admitted that this dentist made
> her cry for hours after this visit (example, when we were with the
> dentist, our son wanted to feed and my wife naturally let him -
> straight away the dentist told us this was VERY wrong).
>
> Please advise.
>
> Many thanks.
----------------
The bitch dentist is reflecting her own terror of pregnancy and
her career being stifled by motherhood. She's trying to make you
dependant on her for advice by contradicting you, making you doubt
yourself so you won't even feel secure picking a new dentist!!
They are taught that as a tactic in their core "business" course,
which should be called "bamboozling and dominating their patients"!

Dentists, even more than med students are socially backward and
interpersonally inept because of delayed maturing experiences.

There is no evidence anywhere for anything she's blathering, get
a new dentist!! The World Health Organization recommends 3-4
years of breast feeding ON DEMAND! They say it PREVENTS tooth
decay!
Steve

R. Steve Walz · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1906

NOYB wrote:
>
> "Marie" wrote in message
> $GJ.1484@attbi_s71...
> >
> > wrote in message
> > @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >> Okay, today we went to the local Pediatric Dental specialist - she
> >> claimed that our son has the need for several fillings and blamed it
> >> squarely and with no hestitation on the fact that my wife is still
> >> breastfeeding him (even overnight - he sleeps with her/us).
> >>
> >> At first we blamed ourselves (I admittedly blaming my wife as it was
> >> her who let our son start sleeping with us, much against all the advice
> >> we'd been given by experienced parents).
> >>
> >> A couple of hours later however, my wife reckoned that this dentist was
> >> (milking the situation - no pun intended). She just couldn't believe
> >> that natural breast milk would create these cavities (its a new
> >> surgery, very plush and the dentists there are quite young(ish)). This
> >> (female) dentist, said that it was a common misconception to continue
> >> to breastfeed after the first 5months. I took this "professional's"
> >> opinion straight at face value - but call us cynical (we are in North
> >> Africa), and the 'truth' isn't always forthcoming (she was trained in
> >> Paris, young, educated but we both suspect not herself a mother).
> >>
> >> Later that afternoon (after looking around on the internet) I'm now
> >> beginning to wonder whether this female dentist had a clue about what
> >> she was talking about. According to most of what I've read, there
> >> isn't any link between breastfeeding and cavities (though I have read
> >> that carbs mixed with the milk causes cavities, as does sugar, lack of
> >> dental hygiene etc).
> >>
> >> We're beginning to wonder whether a second or third opinion (of course
> >> from alternative dentists) would be best before we jump into putting
> >> our son through any dental surgery. Preferably from a dentist who *is*
> >> pro-breastfeeding.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, we think that what he has developed, is probably a
> >> combination of hereditary and lack of brushing.
> >>
> >> P.S. I've just talked to my wife who admitted that this dentist made
> >> her cry for hours after this visit (example, when we were with the
> >> dentist, our son wanted to feed and my wife naturally let him -
> >> straight away the dentist told us this was VERY wrong).
> >>
> >> Please advise.
> >>
> >> Many thanks.
> >>
> >
> > Simply put, this dentist is an idiot. She is clearly prejudiced against
> > BF,
> > and you don't want to stay with someone who made your wife cry. Please
> > seek
> > another dentist.
> >
> > Did you notice that what the dentist said to you is so out of sync with
> > the
> > WHO, AAP, CPS recommendation that BF continues for more than a year?
> > Unfortunately, she isn't the only one.
> >
> > As for cavities, the issue is usually diet, dental hygiene or genes. This
> > is
> > why brushing twice a day is mandatory as soon as the first tooth comes in
> > as
> > well as a dental visit starting at an earlier age.
>
> You're being unfairly (and wrongly) tough on this dentist.
>
> Here's what the mom wrote:
>
> "The dentist...blamed it squarely and with no hestitation on the fact that
> my wife is still
> breastfeeding him (even overnight - he sleeps with her/us)."
>
> Of course the overnight breastfeeding is causing the caries! There are
> dozens of studies to support her claim.
-------------------------------
No responsible ones. See World Health Organization studies.
Steve

StovePipe · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

Ericka Kammerer wrote:

_You_ all emphasize _this_ part:

> "CONCLUSIONS: There is no scientific evidence proving that human milk
> can be associated with the development of caries.

_I_ would emphasize _this_ part:

> This is a complex
> relation to be established, as it is often blurred by too many variables."

....and so would recommend prudence and common sense to my patients.

So: vive la difference. Don't answer back, please, as I am leaving this
thread as I came in: like....

..... .. .. ... .. ... . 'the wind.....'

wwwww woosh ......

SP
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