Pregnant women to get money for fruit and veg

Mogga · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 55

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2165455,00.html
All expectant mothers are to be given a one-off payment of around £120
that they will be encouraged to spend on fresh fruit and vegetables as
a way of protecting their children from diseases and incurable
conditions later in life.

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Penny Gaines · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 376

Mogga wrote:
> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2165455,00.html
> All expectant mothers are to be given a one-off payment of around £120
> that they will be encouraged to spend on fresh fruit and vegetables as
> a way of protecting their children from diseases and incurable
> conditions later in life.

It doesn't look to me that it would benefit the people who most need it.

If its linked to the mothers receiving "receiving professional health
advice": well that's fine if you've gone on maternity leave and have
plenty of time, but what if you are trying to do as much overtime as you
can before the baby is born?

And it doesn't actually make access to buying fresh produce. One
problem in poorer areas is that it isn't easy to buy a variety of
fruit or veg. You're fine if you can get to a decent supermarket,
but some people only have access to the local mini-mart with a limited
choice.

It looks like someone has had a good idea, but it won't work like they
want it to.

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Andy Pandy · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 88

"Dave {Reply Address in.Sig}" wrote in message@robinton.llondel.org...
> > http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2165455,00.html
> > All expectant mothers are to be given a one-off payment of around
£120
> > that they will be encouraged to spend on fresh fruit and
vegetables as
> > a way of protecting their children from diseases and incurable
> > conditions later in life.
> >
> Which is a stupid waste of money as I suspect that most of it will
be spent
> on things other than healthy food. Perhaps if it was given in the
form of
> vouchers it might work. Yet another poorly-though-out idea of how to
spend
> my money, courtesy of the government.

Yup - the ironic thing is that a healthy diet is actually *cheaper*
than an unhealthy one. An apple is cheaper than a chocolate bar, a
banana is cheaper than a bag of crisps, water is cheaper than booze,
not smoking is cheaper than smoking, etc. Maybe they should cut
benefits in order to improve health! (that's always the excuse when
putting up tax on cigarettes etc).

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Andy Pandy · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 88

"Penny Gaines" wrote in message@gaines.biz...
> And it doesn't actually make access to buying fresh produce. One
> problem in poorer areas is that it isn't easy to buy a variety of
> fruit or veg. You're fine if you can get to a decent supermarket,
> but some people only have access to the local mini-mart with a
limited
> choice.

I work in one of the poorest areas on Manchester, but it has a great
market selling fresh fruit and veg, at much cheaper prices than the
supermarkets. Generally most poor urban areas have such markets.

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Mogga · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 55

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:07:54 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
wrote:

>
>"Penny Gaines" wrote in message
>@gaines.biz...
>> And it doesn't actually make access to buying fresh produce. One
>> problem in poorer areas is that it isn't easy to buy a variety of
>> fruit or veg. You're fine if you can get to a decent supermarket,
>> but some people only have access to the local mini-mart with a
>limited
>> choice.
>
>I work in one of the poorest areas on Manchester, but it has a great
>market selling fresh fruit and veg, at much cheaper prices than the
>supermarkets. Generally most poor urban areas have such markets.

The nearest veg shop other than at a supermarket is about 4 miles away
from me. Costing £3.70 on the bus (£2.20 return)
A neighbour's pointed out it's cheaper to go to Bury on the train (or
did he say Bolton?) for about £2 than get a bus anywhere that sells
anything.

We need more allottment spaces too. There's a waiting list of 400
people in Oldham apparently.
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Welches · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1455

"Mogga" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2165455,00.html
> All expectant mothers are to be given a one-off payment of around £120
> that they will be encouraged to spend on fresh fruit and vegetables as
> a way of protecting their children from diseases and incurable
> conditions later in life.
>
> --
Be more sensible to provide fruit/veg boxes to pregnant women weekly. Maybe
a week's portion of potatoes, carrots and apples as they're easy to use, and
maybe something else more exotic too.
Debbie

Mogga · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 55

Hot on the heels of wanting people to eat more fruit and veg

http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2166494,00.html

Scientists found traces of pesticides in 70% of samples of free fruit
and vegetables destined for schoolchildren, it was revealed yesterday.

The annual report of the Pesticide Residues Committee, which advises
the government, showed that overall more than a third of food and
drink products tested in the UK last year contained chemical traces,
and 1.7% - 60 samples of the 3,562 surveyed - had residues above the
legally permitted limits.

interesting end quote:
"Nearly all the residues we found were not likely to affect people's
health," Dr Brown said.

So only one or two are bad for you?
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G Hardy · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 169

"Mogga" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> Hot on the heels of wanting people to eat more fruit and veg
>
> http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2166494,00.html
>
> Scientists found traces of pesticides in 70% of samples of free fruit
> and vegetables destined for schoolchildren, it was revealed yesterday.

If they don't kill kids, surely they should be called "insecticide"?

;o)

Mogga · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 55

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:52:06 GMT, "G Hardy"
wrote:

>"Mogga" wrote in message
>@4ax.com...
>> Hot on the heels of wanting people to eat more fruit and veg
>>
>> http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2166494,00.html
>>
>> Scientists found traces of pesticides in 70% of samples of free fruit
>> and vegetables destined for schoolchildren, it was revealed yesterday.
>
>If they don't kill kids, surely they should be called "insecticide"?
>
>;o)

hohoho
Nice one.
Smile

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Andy Pandy · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 88

"Mogga" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> Hot on the heels of wanting people to eat more fruit and veg
>
> http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2166494,00.html
>
> Scientists found traces of pesticides in 70% of samples of free
fruit
> and vegetables destined for schoolchildren, it was revealed
yesterday.
>
> The annual report of the Pesticide Residues Committee, which advises
> the government, showed that overall more than a third of food and
> drink products tested in the UK last year contained chemical traces,
> and 1.7% - 60 samples of the 3,562 surveyed - had residues above the
> legally permitted limits.
>
> interesting end quote:
> "Nearly all the residues we found were not likely to affect people's
> health," Dr Brown said.
>
> So only one or two are bad for you?

Everything contains stuff that's bad for you. There are natural
poisons in many foods, though strangly nobody seems to worry about
them. Apples and almonds contain cyanide for instance...

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Andy Pandy · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 88

"Mogga" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> >I work in one of the poorest areas on Manchester, but it has a
great
> >market selling fresh fruit and veg, at much cheaper prices than the
> >supermarkets. Generally most poor urban areas have such markets.
>
> The nearest veg shop other than at a supermarket is about 4 miles
away
> from me. Costing £3.70 on the bus (£2.20 return)

No market? Where do you live?

> A neighbour's pointed out it's cheaper to go to Bury on the train
(or
> did he say Bolton?) for about £2 than get a bus anywhere that sells
> anything.
>
> We need more allottment spaces too. There's a waiting list of 400
> people in Oldham apparently.

Oldham has a few markets though...

http://www.oldham.gov.uk/cq_markets.htm

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Mogga · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 55

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:57:40 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
wrote:

>

>>
>> So only one or two are bad for you?
>
>Everything contains stuff that's bad for you. There are natural
>poisons in many foods, though strangly nobody seems to worry about
>them. Apples and almonds contain cyanide for instance...

Only in tiny amounts in the pips though
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Mogga · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 55

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:02:42 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
wrote:

>
>"Mogga" wrote in message
>@4ax.com...
>> >I work in one of the poorest areas on Manchester, but it has a
>great
>> >market selling fresh fruit and veg, at much cheaper prices than the
>> >supermarkets. Generally most poor urban areas have such markets.
>>
>> The nearest veg shop other than at a supermarket is about 4 miles
>away
>> from me. Costing £3.70 on the bus (£2.20 return)
>
>No market? Where do you live?
>
>> A neighbour's pointed out it's cheaper to go to Bury on the train
>(or
>> did he say Bolton?) for about £2 than get a bus anywhere that sells
>> anything.
>>
>> We need more allottment spaces too. There's a waiting list of 400
>> people in Oldham apparently.
>
>Oldham has a few markets though...
>
>http://www.oldham.gov.uk/cq_markets.htm

Indeed.
The nearest one at Chadderton is still a £3.70 bus ride away (and
probably 15 minute walk to the bus stop at this end) - it's very
nearly 3 miles from where I live.

The one at Shaw is 5.5 Miles away

So yes there are markets available if you don't mind quite a long
trip.

I have a supermarket 10 mins walk away tops so timewise it makes sense
to go there.

I did used to go to the market stalls in Manchester sometimes when I
lived a short walk from town but I found you got quite poor quality
fruit and veg so you'd have to go every day as things wouldn't last.

I have looked at box schemes too but they all seem a bit pricey so
I've not tried any yet.

I did notice at Tesco the other day (They've opened a monster in
Failsworth) they do a veg box for £10 which gives you 3 bits of veg
free.

We did used to have some local shops but the planning process allows
them to be offered at 6 months to let as business premises (rental an
arm and a leg) and then when no one wants to take it on they apply for
PP to turn it into houses.
I think a newsagent on moston Lane east is about to go the same way.

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Andy Pandy · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 88

"Mogga" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> >Everything contains stuff that's bad for you. There are natural
> >poisons in many foods, though strangly nobody seems to worry about
> >them. Apples and almonds contain cyanide for instance...
>
> Only in tiny amounts in the pips though

Almonds don't have pips. You'll probably find the cyanide content of
almonds similar to pesticide residues on fruit etc.

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Mogga · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 55

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:16:39 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
wrote:

>
>"Mogga" wrote in message
>@4ax.com...
>> >Everything contains stuff that's bad for you. There are natural
>> >poisons in many foods, though strangly nobody seems to worry about
>> >them. Apples and almonds contain cyanide for instance...
>>
>> Only in tiny amounts in the pips though
>
>Almonds don't have pips. You'll probably find the cyanide content of
>almonds similar to pesticide residues on fruit etc.

most people don't eat the pips of apples

Diet - The family Rosaceae, which includes the bitter almond, cherry
laurel, apricot, plum, peach, pear, and apple, is responsible for many
reported cyanide poisonings. These foods all contain cyanogenic
glycosides, such as amygdalin, in their pits and seeds. The common
(ie, sweet) almond does not cause cyanide intoxication.

A 1998 report in the Annals of Emergency Medicine described cyanide
poisoning in a woman who bought apricot kernels at a health food
store, became severely ill within 20 minutes of ingestion and was
close to death when she reached the emergency room. Fortunately, the
cause of her illness was identified and she recovered, but it was the
first report of its kind in nearly 20 years.
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