How does and can one parent effectively these days?

Bible John · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 210

Back in my day in the 1980's Cell Phones, PDA's, GameBoys, Play
Stations, X-boxes, Home PC's, Laptops, and the Internet was almost non
existent in the home. I have to wonder how many more kids are being
diagnosed as an ADD/ADHD client than in my day. And I wonder how kids
can study with all the added distractions of this entertainment driven
generation. Back in my day I read books, played Marbles, ventured into
nature, rode bikes, and did so many things I am afraid many kids no
longer enjoy.

Choose Your Own Adventure was a children's book series of the 1980's
that would never sell in todays market. Instead of wasting countless
hours in front of a computer I read books which I doubt many children
would chose over using a computer these days. Is it good that kids would
rather read on their computers over reading a traditional book?

I fear great danger with this new generation.

John

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Mark Probert · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 3439

Dave wrote:
> Bible John wrote:
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>>I fear great danger with this new generation.
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> We were saying the same things about *your* generation, and my father's
> generation was saying the same thing about *my* generation...and so on
> and so on and so on...
>

IIRC, Socrates said it. No, I did not hear it first hand.

Mark Probert · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 3439

CWatters wrote:
> "Dave" wrote in message
> @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Bible John wrote:
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>>Snip
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>>>I fear great danger with this new generation.
>>
>>We were saying the same things about *your* generation, and my father's
>>generation was saying the same thing about *my* generation...and so on
>>and so on and so on...
>
>
> Were people ever adicted to reading books though? They sure can get adicted
> to the internet and video games.

My friends son has AD/HD and OCD. In his case, though, he is obsessive
about stuyding and reading. I have seen him cross a highway with his
face in a book.

Banty · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 3729

In article , Caledonia
says...
>
>
>CWatters wrote:
>
>>
>> Were people ever adicted to reading books though? They sure can get adicted
>> to the internet and video games.
>
>Comic books! The scourge of a generation! They were violent, visual,
>and all in all 'Not A Good Thing' according to my 1950's siblings. Kids
>would spend money on comic books, collect hundreds of these things, act
>out what was portrayed, and prefer to hang out reading them versus
>engaging in more 'wholesome' activities.
>
>I believe that video games are the comic books of today.
>
>And I don't think either of these items are necessarily bad.

I do remember books, especially fiction, being considered a possibly addictive
distraction, and being discouraged.

Banty

CWatters · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 393

"Dave" wrote in message@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Bible John wrote:
>
> Snip
>
> > I fear great danger with this new generation.
>
> We were saying the same things about *your* generation, and my father's
> generation was saying the same thing about *my* generation...and so on
> and so on and so on...

Were people ever adicted to reading books though? They sure can get adicted
to the internet and video games.

Rosalie B. · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1547

"CWatters" wrote:
>"Dave" wrote in message
>@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Bible John wrote:
>> Snip
>>
>> > I fear great danger with this new generation.
>>
>> We were saying the same things about *your* generation, and my father's
>> generation was saying the same thing about *my* generation...and so on
>> and so on and so on...
>
>Were people ever adicted to reading books though? They sure can get adicted
>to the internet and video games.
>
Some people still are. My mom used to tell me to turn down the beans
after 15 minutes, and I would answer but I would get involved in the
book and she'd come back in half an hour to a house full of smoke and
burnt beans. She used to kick me outside to 'get some fresh air'. I
used to read under the bedcovers, and I will still stay up until the
wee hours of the morning to finish a book.

grandma Rosalie

Bible Bob · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 31

On 17 Aug 2005 01:10:42 -0700, "Dave" wrote:

>Bible John wrote:
>
>Snip
>
>> I fear great danger with this new generation.
>
>We were saying the same things about *your* generation, and my father's
>generation was saying the same thing about *my* generation...and so on
>and so on and so on...

Ditto

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BB

toto · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2581

On 17 Aug 2005 09:59:33 -0700, "Caledonia"
wrote:

>I believe that video games are the comic books of today.
>
>And I don't think either of these items are necessarily bad.

Everything Bad Is Good for You: How Today's Popular Culture Is
Actually Making Us Smarter by Steven Johnson takes the view that
video games actually are increasing kid's problem solving and
thinking skills because they require kids to handle a lot of variables
at once.

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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Tom McDonald · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 12

Mark Probert wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
>> Bible John wrote:
>>
>> Snip
>>
>>
>>> I fear great danger with this new generation.
>>
>>
>>
>> We were saying the same things about *your* generation, and my father's
>> generation was saying the same thing about *my* generation...and so on
>> and so on and so on...
>>
>
> IIRC, Socrates said it. No, I did not hear it first hand.

IIRC, there are examples from Old Kingdom Egypt and from
Mesopotamia (Assyria, I think) expressing the same concerns.
Things have been going to hell in a hand basket for well over
4000 years.

Hmmm. That does explain some things....

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Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/

toto · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2581

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:10:18 GMT, Bible Bob
wrote:

>It was just on the news this evening that the APA (American
>Psychiatric Association) is saying that violent games are bad for
>kids.

And the APA has what kind of evidence tor this statement?

I don't like violent video games, but not all video games are
violent either. And there does not appear to be any evidence
that they make children violent in real life.

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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R. Steve Walz · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1906

CWatters wrote:
>
> "Dave" wrote in message
> @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Bible John wrote:
> >
> > Snip
> >
> > > I fear great danger with this new generation.
> >
> > We were saying the same things about *your* generation, and my father's
> > generation was saying the same thing about *my* generation...and so on
> > and so on and so on...
>
> Were people ever adicted to reading books though? They sure can get adicted
> to the internet and video games.
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Yes, addiction was claimed for books too when they were new, and again
when the paperback and comic book were born, and only later where they
seen as admirable pursuits in their own right. Fiction books once had
an EXTREMELY bad rap, in the 1880's.
Steve

R. Steve Walz · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1906

Mark Probert wrote:
>
> CWatters wrote:
> > "Dave" wrote in message
> > @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >>Bible John wrote:
> >>
> >>Snip
> >>
> >>
> >>>I fear great danger with this new generation.
> >>
> >>We were saying the same things about *your* generation, and my father's
> >>generation was saying the same thing about *my* generation...and so on
> >>and so on and so on...
> >
> >
> > Were people ever adicted to reading books though? They sure can get adicted
> > to the internet and video games.
>
> My friends son has AD/HD and OCD. In his case, though, he is obsessive
> about stuyding and reading. I have seen him cross a highway with his
> face in a book.
--------------------
Sounds like Asperger's.
Steve

Bible Bob · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 31

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:54:19 -0500, toto
wrote:

>On 17 Aug 2005 09:59:33 -0700, "Caledonia"
>wrote:
>
>>I believe that video games are the comic books of today.
>>
>>And I don't think either of these items are necessarily bad.
>
>Everything Bad Is Good for You: How Today's Popular Culture Is
>Actually Making Us Smarter by Steven Johnson takes the view that
>video games actually are increasing kid's problem solving and
>thinking skills because they require kids to handle a lot of variables
>at once.

Hmm.

It was just on the news this evening that the APA (American
Psychiatric Association) is saying that violent games are bad for
kids.

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Grinder · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

toto wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:10:18 GMT, Bible Bob
> wrote:
>
>
>>It was just on the news this evening that the APA (American
>>Psychiatric Association) is saying that violent games are bad for
>>kids.
>
>
> And the APA has what kind of evidence tor this statement?
>
> I don't like violent video games, but not all video games are
> violent either. And there does not appear to be any evidence
> that they make children violent in real life.

I can provide some anecdotal support for this. My nephews both get more
aggressive after playing a bit of Halo. Although the effect is
temporary, it is very pronounced.

But, the same can be said of the effect playing basketball has upon them.

Radio Boy · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

"Rosalie B." wrote in message@4ax.com...
> "CWatters" wrote:
> >
> >Were people ever adicted to reading books though? They sure can get adicted
> >to the internet and video games.
> >
> Some people still are. My mom used to tell me to turn down the beans
> after 15 minutes, and I would answer but I would get involved in the
> book and she'd come back in half an hour to a house full of smoke and
> burnt beans. She used to kick me outside to 'get some fresh air'. I
> used to read under the bedcovers, and I will still stay up until the
> wee hours of the morning to finish a book.

I once got a good thrashing for reading under the covers beyond
midnight. OK, I was only thirteen at the time, but it was the kind of
thing most boys of that age did anyway. Yeah, I know it was a
school night but being beaten for it seemed rather excessive.....