How do you handle Parents that BEAT their kids?

John · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 118

Once in SeaWorld of Florida I was walking and to my distance saw a
mother going histerical at her little girl. She was screaming at her,
spanking her, and jerking her violently. This poor little girl was
getting beat in front of others, and nobody stopped or said anything.
But after observing this horrible scene for a few minutes and seeing
nobody stop I took action. So I walked within a few feet of the mother
and stood there staring. The mother saw me and jerked her child away I
guess to be beat somewhere else. So the child was taken near a
bathroom, and spanked, and jerked around a bit. I was not sure what the
child did wrong, but was shocked that nobody ever stopped or said
anything to this mean mother.

Did I handled the situation coreectly? I thought that I should have
verbally confronted the mother instead of nonverbally.

John
--
1Cor. 1:18 ¶ For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).

Archived from group: misc>kids

Hierophant · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 24

John wrote:
> Once in SeaWorld of Florida I was walking and to my distance saw a
> mother going histerical at her little girl. She was screaming at
her,
> spanking her, and jerking her violently. This poor little girl was
> getting beat in front of others, and nobody stopped or said anything.

> But after observing this horrible scene for a few minutes and seeing
> nobody stop I took action. So I walked within a few feet of the
mother
> and stood there staring. The mother saw me and jerked her child away
I
> guess to be beat somewhere else. So the child was taken near a
> bathroom, and spanked, and jerked around a bit. I was not sure what
the
> child did wrong, but was shocked that nobody ever stopped or said
> anything to this mean mother.
>
> Did I handled the situation coreectly? I thought that I should have
> verbally confronted the mother instead of nonverbally.
>
>
>
> John
> --
> 1Cor. 1:18 ¶ For the message of the cross is foolishness to
> those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
> is the power of God.
> (Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church
becomes like the world).

I'd be ashamed of the Gospel. I'm betting the mom you saw mistreat her
child would say say spare the rod spoil the child in order to justify
her actions.

I think you should have verbally confronted her for physically
assualting her child. Should have called her a ***** or something.

But that is just my humble opinion. Saying it a doing it are two
different things. I'm sorry you had to witness that but not time you
will be better prepaired.

P.S. I know of an incident where a parent hit her child and than was
immediatly hit by a stranger than asked see how that feels. If I had
witnessed that I would have apploaded the stranger. Smile

toto · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2581

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:04:22 -0800, John
wrote:

>Once in SeaWorld of Florida I was walking and to my distance saw a
>mother going histerical at her little girl. She was screaming at her,
>spanking her, and jerking her violently. This poor little girl was
>getting beat in front of others, and nobody stopped or said anything.
>But after observing this horrible scene for a few minutes and seeing
>nobody stop I took action. So I walked within a few feet of the mother
>and stood there staring. The mother saw me and jerked her child away I
>guess to be beat somewhere else. So the child was taken near a
>bathroom, and spanked, and jerked around a bit. I was not sure what the
>child did wrong, but was shocked that nobody ever stopped or said
>anything to this mean mother.
>
>Did I handled the situation coreectly? I thought that I should have
>verbally confronted the mother instead of nonverbally.
>
In a situation like this, it may be the child who suffers when mom
gets her home, so I would not *confront* the mom either verbally
or non-verbally as a rule.

I would suggest taking a gentler approach.

You could say something like *You seem really angry and upset.
Is there anything I can do to help? Can I take your packages
to your car for you and walk with you?*

This gives mom a chance to calm down. If she accepts you
can also talk to the child, letting her know you see her.
Again, say something calming not confrontational. Don't
blame the mom or the child for the situation. *You must have
been really angry. It looked like your mom was really upset
with you. I am sure you can work with her now.*

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

Kane · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 126

toto wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:04:22 -0800, John
> wrote:
>
> >Once in SeaWorld of Florida I was walking and to my distance saw a
> >mother going histerical at her little girl. She was screaming at
her,
> >spanking her, and jerking her violently. This poor little girl was
> >getting beat in front of others, and nobody stopped or said
anything.
> >But after observing this horrible scene for a few minutes and seeing

> >nobody stop I took action. So I walked within a few feet of the
mother
> >and stood there staring. The mother saw me and jerked her child
away I
> >guess to be beat somewhere else. So the child was taken near a
> >bathroom, and spanked, and jerked around a bit. I was not sure what
the
> >child did wrong, but was shocked that nobody ever stopped or said
> >anything to this mean mother.
> >
> >Did I handled the situation coreectly? I thought that I should have

> >verbally confronted the mother instead of nonverbally.
> >
> In a situation like this, it may be the child who suffers when mom
> gets her home, so I would not *confront* the mom either verbally
> or non-verbally as a rule.
>
> I would suggest taking a gentler approach.
>
> You could say something like *You seem really angry and upset.
> Is there anything I can do to help? Can I take your packages
> to your car for you and walk with you?*
>
> This gives mom a chance to calm down. If she accepts you
> can also talk to the child, letting her know you see her.
> Again, say something calming not confrontational. Don't
> blame the mom or the child for the situation. *You must have
> been really angry. It looked like your mom was really upset
> with you. I am sure you can work with her now.*
>

The problem, Toto, is a question of degree. This mother's attack, from
our remote perspective of course, appears to be one that needed legal
interventions.

While I've said repeatedly in this particular ng, aps, that I do not
support an anti spanking law, I am slowly but surely opening up to the
possibility I may be wrong about the capacity of Americans for empathy,
intelligence, and mental health. Some of the posters here make it
abundantly apparent they are dedicated to the preservation of this
savage practice of hurting children.

We may have to have a law. And if it comes to pass I will blame the
compusive stupid spanking public for it, not the anti spankers. We'd
walk away from the issue of some parents weren't doing this act.

The rate of injured children, the majority of which were, according to
their parents were "only being disciplined," stays the same decade
after decade. That would suggest that what we are doing now is not
sufficient to reduce the problem.

While I agee with you on your suggested intervention I feel it much
more appropriate when a parent has lost it on a much less extreme scale
than the example in the Sea World story.

She needs an intervention that she will have to deal with at home. CPS
needed to be called RIGHT after and LEO, right after having an on site
security person intervene (sometimes they are deputized or otherwise
authorized to make an arrest).

This lady was out of control, obviously. Do you really think a gentle
helpful intervention would have had any real effect out of public
sight?

I'd hope so, but the unchanging rates of child abuse suggest otherwise,
statistically.

Best, Kane

>
>
> --
> Dorothy
>
> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
>
> The Outer Limits

Doan · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1571

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, toto wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:04:22 -0800, John
> wrote:
>
> >Once in SeaWorld of Florida I was walking and to my distance saw a
> >mother going histerical at her little girl. She was screaming at her,
> >spanking her, and jerking her violently. This poor little girl was
> >getting beat in front of others, and nobody stopped or said anything.
> >But after observing this horrible scene for a few minutes and seeing
> >nobody stop I took action. So I walked within a few feet of the mother
> >and stood there staring. The mother saw me and jerked her child away I
> >guess to be beat somewhere else. So the child was taken near a
> >bathroom, and spanked, and jerked around a bit. I was not sure what the
> >child did wrong, but was shocked that nobody ever stopped or said
> >anything to this mean mother.
> >
> >Did I handled the situation coreectly? I thought that I should have
> >verbally confronted the mother instead of nonverbally.
> >
> In a situation like this, it may be the child who suffers when mom
> gets her home, so I would not *confront* the mom either verbally
> or non-verbally as a rule.
>
> I would suggest taking a gentler approach.
>
> You could say something like *You seem really angry and upset.
> Is there anything I can do to help? Can I take your packages
> to your car for you and walk with you?*
>
> This gives mom a chance to calm down. If she accepts you
> can also talk to the child, letting her know you see her.
> Again, say something calming not confrontational. Don't
> blame the mom or the child for the situation. *You must have
> been really angry. It looked like your mom was really upset
> with you. I am sure you can work with her now.*
>
Thanks, Dorothy! That is a GREAT suggestion.

Doan

Doan · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1571

On 27 Feb 2005, Kane wrote:

>
> toto wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:04:22 -0800, John
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Once in SeaWorld of Florida I was walking and to my distance saw a
> > >mother going histerical at her little girl. She was screaming at
> her,
> > >spanking her, and jerking her violently. This poor little girl was
> > >getting beat in front of others, and nobody stopped or said
> anything.
> > >But after observing this horrible scene for a few minutes and seeing
>
> > >nobody stop I took action. So I walked within a few feet of the
> mother
> > >and stood there staring. The mother saw me and jerked her child
> away I
> > >guess to be beat somewhere else. So the child was taken near a
> > >bathroom, and spanked, and jerked around a bit. I was not sure what
> the
> > >child did wrong, but was shocked that nobody ever stopped or said
> > >anything to this mean mother.
> > >
> > >Did I handled the situation coreectly? I thought that I should have
>
> > >verbally confronted the mother instead of nonverbally.
> > >
> > In a situation like this, it may be the child who suffers when mom
> > gets her home, so I would not *confront* the mom either verbally
> > or non-verbally as a rule.
> >
> > I would suggest taking a gentler approach.
> >
> > You could say something like *You seem really angry and upset.
> > Is there anything I can do to help? Can I take your packages
> > to your car for you and walk with you?*
> >
> > This gives mom a chance to calm down. If she accepts you
> > can also talk to the child, letting her know you see her.
> > Again, say something calming not confrontational. Don't
> > blame the mom or the child for the situation. *You must have
> > been really angry. It looked like your mom was really upset
> > with you. I am sure you can work with her now.*
> >
>
> The problem, Toto, is a question of degree. This mother's attack, from
> our remote perspective of course, appears to be one that needed legal
> interventions.
>
> While I've said repeatedly in this particular ng, aps, that I do not
> support an anti spanking law, I am slowly but surely opening up to the
> possibility I may be wrong about the capacity of Americans for empathy,
> intelligence, and mental health. Some of the posters here make it
> abundantly apparent they are dedicated to the preservation of this
> savage practice of hurting children.
>
> We may have to have a law. And if it comes to pass I will blame the
> compusive stupid spanking public for it, not the anti spankers. We'd
> walk away from the issue of some parents weren't doing this act.
>
> The rate of injured children, the majority of which were, according to
> their parents were "only being disciplined," stays the same decade
> after decade. That would suggest that what we are doing now is not
> sufficient to reduce the problem.
>
> While I agee with you on your suggested intervention I feel it much
> more appropriate when a parent has lost it on a much less extreme scale
> than the example in the Sea World story.
>
> She needs an intervention that she will have to deal with at home. CPS
> needed to be called RIGHT after and LEO, right after having an on site
> security person intervene (sometimes they are deputized or otherwise
> authorized to make an arrest).
>
> This lady was out of control, obviously. Do you really think a gentle
> helpful intervention would have had any real effect out of public
> sight?
>
> I'd hope so, but the unchanging rates of child abuse suggest otherwise,
> statistically.
>
> Best, Kane
>
Well, Kane. You weren't there! Wink

You would have called her a
"smelly-cunt" or given her a taser-gun to use since, according
to you, it is SAFE! Wink

Doan

Barrnabas Collins · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:12:52 +0100, Amos Keppler
wrote:

>
> The pope is dead.
>
> Amos Shadowwalker
> http://midnight-fire.net/sw
>
Very much alive

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148863,00.html

--------------------------------

"Republicans believe that life
begins at conception and ends at
birth."
--------------------Barney Frank

----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups
----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

John · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 118

I do not oppose spanking, but oppose abuse as happened in the case here.
This situation was bad, but I've seen worse!

I once caught a mother leaving her 1 yr old in a car windows closed on a
100 degree day! I stopped her thank God!

John

In article ,
Pastor Dave wrote:

>
> Sad, isn't it? Spanking is proper, as a last resort,
> but these people take their frustration out on the
> children and seem to think that the children should be
> at their level of understanding.
--
1Cor. 1:18 ? For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).

John · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 118

In article , Tommy
wrote:

> John wrote:
>
> > Once in SeaWorld of Florida I was walking and to my distance saw a
> > mother going histerical at her little girl. She was screaming at her,
> > spanking her, and jerking her violently. This poor little girl was
> > getting beat in front of others, and nobody stopped or said anything.
> > But after observing this horrible scene for a few minutes and seeing
> > nobody stop I took action. So I walked within a few feet of the mother
> > and stood there staring. The mother saw me and jerked her child away I
> > guess to be beat somewhere else. So the child was taken near a
> > bathroom, and spanked, and jerked around a bit. I was not sure what the
> > child did wrong, but was shocked that nobody ever stopped or said
> > anything to this mean mother.
> >
> > Did I handled the situation coreectly? I thought that I should have
> > verbally confronted the mother instead of nonverbally.
> >
> >
> >
>
> John, you should have called her a bitch and then threaten to call child
> protective services if she didn't stop.
--
1Cor. 1:18 ? For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).

John · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 118

Not very christlike behaviors heh Tommy?

I wonder what happened to Roger. Did he die, is he okay?

John

In article , Tommy
wrote:

>
> John, you should have called her a bitch and then threaten to call child
> protective services if she didn't stop.
--
1Cor. 1:18 ? For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).

Greegor · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 664

I think the parents in both examples need classes
on how to spank properly and appropriately.

I also wonder why the Mom had the kid in a bar.
Isn't that illegal in most states?

Some sow going into a bar to drink with a tot in tow
sounds pretty stupid regardless of any laws.

John, to ask Kane and company how to handle
such a situation is like asking the Pope if
he believes in God. Kane worked for YEARS
as a beneficiary of the Child Protection system.

His views are rabid and CATHARTIC.

The rest are just struggling to show they
are more Politically Correct than the next person.

Ivan Gowch seems like one of Kane's socks.
Old, rabidly atheist, and OBSESSIVE about
child protection, on his opinionated whim.

This is about as exciting as asking a bunch
of Kerry supporters if they like Bush.

John · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 118

They continue to stalk me

> What happend to your side-kicks, Mike & Bev? They don't seem to be bothering
> you as much as they use too.
--
1Cor. 1:18 ? For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).

John · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 118

They continue to stalk me

> What happend to your side-kicks, Mike & Bev? They don't seem to be bothering
> you as much as they use too.

Roger is married? He does not have a job heh? Sounds preety old for
stalking a 17 year old. Is Roger in his 40's?
--
1Cor. 1:18 ? For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).

Banty · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 3729

In article , TM says...
>
>Actually, you should have minded your own business. You have no idea what
>transpired. You have no idea what the truth was. The parent was instructing
>the child. Your descriptions are very telling...beat, jerked, etc.
>
>You are biased against a parent exercising their rights as parents to teach
>their children proper behavior.
>
>People have a right to privacy, they have a right to raise their children as
>they see fit. This is not an assault, it was a learning encounter.
>
>If the woman slapped you across the face for sticking your nose in where it
>did not belong wouldn't have been an assault either. It would have been
>poetic justice to a busybody.

Um, no.

It would have been assault and battery.

Banty

Ninure Saunders · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

In article , John
wrote:

-Once in SeaWorld of Florida I was walking and to my distance saw a
-mother going histerical at her little girl. She was screaming at her,
-spanking her, and jerking her violently. This poor little girl was
-getting beat in front of others, and nobody stopped or said anything.
-But after observing this horrible scene for a few minutes and seeing
-nobody stop I took action. So I walked within a few feet of the mother
-and stood there staring. The mother saw me and jerked her child away I
-guess to be beat somewhere else. So the child was taken near a
-bathroom, and spanked, and jerked around a bit. I was not sure what the
-child did wrong, but was shocked that nobody ever stopped or said
-anything to this mean mother.
-
-Did I handled the situation coreectly? I thought that I should have
-verbally confronted the mother instead of nonverbally.
-
-
You should have called the police!!

If you saw an adult assualting another adult, isn't that what you would do?

Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian

The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk

Take my polls
http://ninure.100megsfree5.com

My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org

The Bible Site - help provide free scripture
http://www.thebiblesite.org

To send e-mail, remove nohate from address